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BMW R 1200RT => BMW R 1200RT After market parts => Topic started by: David. on 2017-05-06 12:33:23

Title: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-06 12:33:23
The BMW OEM front brake pads on a 2012 TC are listed as Sintered Metal, part no. 34118534183 & cost £58.70 per pair x 2 = £117.40.

(https://www.ascycles.com/images/products/3/34117683064_bmw_r12gsbrakepads.jpg)

Brembo offer 4 types of compounds & suggest Road - SA, product code 07BB26.SA.

(https://www.legtomegmero.eu/img/uploads/FEKBETET34117660448.jpg)

The Brembo pads don't come with the backing plate, is this a problem?

Has anyone use these pads, how do you know which Brembo compound best matches the BMW OEM pads?
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: RTman10 on 2017-05-06 13:31:50
The BMW OEM front brake pads on a 2012 TC are listed as Sintered Metal, part no. 34118534183 & cost £58.70 per pair x 2 = £117.40.

(https://www.ascycles.com/images/products/3/34117683064_bmw_r12gsbrakepads.jpg)

Brembo offer 4 types of compounds & suggest Road - SA, product code 07BB26.SA.

(https://www.legtomegmero.eu/img/uploads/FEKBETET34117660448.jpg)

The Brembo pads don't come with the backing plate, is this a problem?

Has anyone use these pads, how do you know which Brembo compound best matches the BMW OEM pads?


You don't.  But the theory goes if it's made by the same people at half the price it must be OK.  Have a look at the cost of replacing the discs though.  Then again these are probably available  from China at a fraction of the cost.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: simbo on 2017-05-06 13:40:20
Aren't the backing plates just 'anti squeal shims' to stop the brakes squealing? I find a smear of copper slip on the back of the pads works equally well, As for compound, 'road use' should be fine , they probably do a harder one for race purposes? Has anyone ever wore a disc out under normal riding conditions?
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-06 13:43:59
Listening to this video (1:43) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF6aLn4tPiA suggests that Brembo make a compound for OEM which isn't one of the 4 listed on their website.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: RTman10 on 2017-05-06 13:45:55
road use' should be fine .  Should.  In a former life I have seen damaged discs caused by the use of incorrect pads. 
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-06 14:24:09
"SA – The Sintered Road Pad
These Sintered road pads are Brembo's most popular aftermarket pads. The new SA(front) and SP(rear) sintered compounds are excellent for the latest generation sports bikes. Manufactured through a particular production process, these brake pads have a high friction coefficient, excellent initial bite and are superb in both wet and dry weather for fast road use.
These are an excellent alternative to Original Equipment pads!"
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: Levisp on 2017-05-06 14:29:32
If new backing plate isn't supplied just reuse old ones. I think this is quite common with aftermarket pads.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: Levisp on 2017-05-06 14:33:55
Quote

You don't.  But the theory goes if it's made by the same people at half the price it must be OK.  Have a look at the cost of replacing the discs though.  Then again these are probably available  from China at a fraction of the cost.


No. The disc are probably half the price from Brembo. I would never advise anyone to buy cheap copies from China.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: RTman10 on 2017-05-06 15:09:26

No. The disc are probably half the price from Brembo. I would never advise anyone to buy cheap copies from China.


Like the pads, would they be identical, nobody knows.  Use the correct pads and it probably doesn't matter.
I think if you believe BMW just pick parts off the shelf to produce their bikes they are definitely not worth what we pay for them.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-06 15:14:51
The disc are probably half the price from Brembo.

Not quite, BMW OEM discs (34117711428) are £230 each, found some Brembo ones (168.B407.D7) for £150 each.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-06 15:28:08
Found this on a.n.other forum.

"Last time I changed the Front Pads on our 1200RT I searched high and wide for the same pads as BMW supply but at a cheaper price and it seems that they are not available. The BMW supplied pads have the bonded "heat" ? shim on the backplate. As far as I am aware these are un-available from other sources. Maybe someone has managed to locate a supplier, if so I would be interested. In the end I ordered Brembo pads described as O.E.M. parts form either Motobins or Motorworks (can't remember which) and they where nothing like the BMW pads. The backplates are bright Red and they don't have the bonded shim mentioned above."
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: RTman10 on 2017-05-06 17:19:10
I rest my case.  With things like pads it's easy to see what's not the same. With the likes of filters oil or air it's not. But we know they are  different by the price.  Also the mark up on BMW parts is consistently lower than it is on pattern parts. And that's  the reason pattern parts are available.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: Levisp on 2017-05-06 19:19:25
David you said the Brembo pads you bought were nothing like the BMW pads. Do you mean in look or in actual use i.e. feel, wear rate or braking efficiency.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-06 19:38:27
David you said.

Sorry for any confusion, it isn't my quote, found it on UKGSer.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: Levisp on 2017-05-06 19:59:25
Ok thanks. Will have to find out myself when the time comes. However as I'm light on brakes could be a long time. My bike done nearly 24K and the pads look hardly touched on the front. Different story on the back.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-06 20:20:08
Will have to find out myself when the time comes.

Looks like it's a different story from Brembo wrt LC brake pads. They offer a range of four different applications, Racing, Performance, Premium & Genuine.
In the Genuine range, there are two choices, Brembo suggest Genuine - Sinter ( 84),  Product code: 07BB38.84 and quote.

"Selected by motorcycle manufacturers, this is the sintered material developed by Brembo as OEM equipment.
The cases where the catalogue code corresponds exactly to the material used on the specific application are highlighted in the catalogues you will find at your local dealer."


In this case, the differential in cost between BMW OEM & Brembo Genuine is not so great.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-06 21:01:32
Bike Torque Racing are the sole UK distributor for Brembo aftermarket products.

Genuine

The original replacement part for Brembo calipers.


Selecting these pads, you buy exactly the same OE material as used by the motorcycle manufacturer and developed for a particular application, according to the most stringent criteria. Pads can be of sintered or carbon ceramic material.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: RTman10 on 2017-05-06 21:32:27
Looks like it's a different story from Brembo wrt LC brake pads. They offer a range of four different applications, Racing, Performance, Premium & Genuine.
In the Genuine range, there are two choices, Brembo suggest Genuine - Sinter ( 84),Product code: 07BB38.84 and quote.

"Selected by motorcycle manufacturers, this is the sintered material developed by Brembo as OEM equipment.
The cases where the catalogue code corresponds exactly to the material used on the specific application are highlighted in the catalogues you will find at your local dealer."


In this case, the differential in cost between BMW OEM & Brembo Genuine is not so great.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: RTman10 on 2017-05-06 21:35:33
Looks like it's a different story from Brembo wrt LC brake pads. They offer a range of four different applications, Racing, Performance, Premium & Genuine.
In the Genuine range, there are two choices, Brembo suggest Genuine - Sinter ( 84),Product code: 07BB38.84 and quote.

"Selected by motorcycle manufacturers, this is the sintered material developed by Brembo as OEM equipment.
The cases where the catalogue code corresponds exactly to the material used on the specific application are highlighted in the catalogues you will find at your local dealer."


In this case, the differential in cost between BMW OEM & Brembo Genuine is not so great.


It's just got to be a lot more sensible to get them off your dealers shelf. And it would seem at nearly the same price, maybe even a bit less with some discount.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-06 22:29:09
Brembo Genuine £48.96, https://www.tyres-pneus-online.co.uk/brake-motorcycle/brembo/genuine-carbon-ceramic-sinter/07bb38.84.html

or BMW OEM for £69.79 each, that's a saving of over £40 on two pairs.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: RTman10 on 2017-05-07 07:58:29
Brembo Genuine £48.96, https://www.tyres-pneus-online.co.uk/brake-motorcycle/brembo/genuine-carbon-ceramic-sinter/07bb38.84.html (https://www.tyres-pneus-online.co.uk/brake-motorcycle/brembo/genuine-carbon-ceramic-sinter/07bb38.84.html)

or BMW OEM for £69.79 each, that's a saving of over £40 on two pairs.


But not the right ones.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-07 09:11:14
Genuine

The original replacement part for Brembo calipers.


Selecting these pads, you buy exactly the same OE material as used by the motorcycle manufacturer and developed for a particular application, according to the most stringent criteria.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: RTman10 on 2017-05-07 09:32:32




But you have pointed out as have others they are constructed differently.    Just like the callipers, genuine Brembo but specific to BMW.
In my eyes brakes are the most critical item on the bike to keep you clear of disaster.  Mine will stay exactly as they were when it came out of its crate. 
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-07 10:10:00
For the 2012 TC RT, Brembo (Official Website) only offer pads from the Performance & Premium ranges, their "suggested" replacement is Road - SA, Product code: 07BB26.SA.

"This is a sintered compound, specific for front application, characterised by excellent efficiency in all conditions of use.
It therefore represents an ideal alternative to original brake pads, both when cold and when hot."


For the 2017 LC RT, Brembo offer pads from Racing, Performance, Premium & Genuine ranges.
In the Genuine range, there are two options, Brembo "suggest" Genuine - Sinter ( 84 ),  Product code: 07BB38.84.

"Selected by motorcycle manufacturers, this is the sintered material developed by Brembo as OEM equipment.
The cases where the catalogue code corresponds exactly to the material used on the specific application are highlighted in the catalogues you will find at your local dealer."


Based on the above, for my TC, I'll stick to the BMW OEM pads, an equivalent replacement is not available.

However, if it were an LC, then the Brembo "Genuine" range would seem to be the same as BMW OEM pads in construction.

If in any doubt, Bike Torque Racing the sole UK importer, should be able to confirm things.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: RTman10 on 2017-05-07 10:16:52
If in any doubt, Bike Torque Racing the sole UK importer, should be able to confirm things.
And BMW UK of course. Suspect they don't get them from Bike Torque Racing.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-07 10:45:31
Different story on the back.

For the rear on an LC, the BMW OEM pads, part no. 34218554424 are £72.54.

From the Brembo "Genuine" range, they suggest Product code: 07BB03.59 at £35.61.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BREMBO-Brake-Pad-07BB03-sintered-metal-OEM-with-ABE-KBA-Genuine-ORG-59-/272637789810?_trksid=p2385738.m2548.l4275
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: SweRT on 2017-05-07 11:40:04
But you have pointed out as have others they are constructed differently. Just like the callipers, genuine Brembo but specific to BMW.
In my eyes brakes are the most critical item on the bike to keep you clear of disaster. Mine will stay exactly as they were when it came out of its crate.
Exactly??
Then I suppose you have kept your bike in the crater? because even BMW replace parts afterwards (and for various reasons, new supplier, cheaper? /better? /no longer available …..) ;) ;)
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: RTman10 on 2017-05-07 11:58:58
Of course they do but they are still what is supposed to be fitted as opposed to recommended by a third party.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-07 13:14:52
If the part no. has changed, does this suggest that the supplier has too?

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Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: RTman10 on 2017-05-07 13:54:45
Not necessarily and not in this case.  Could be just a change in construction or material. 
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-07 14:13:21
The LC has now been available in the UK since 2014, if the part no. has changed, surely something is different.

Are the brake pads now constructed and made from material different to that which was originally fitted.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: RTman10 on 2017-05-07 14:20:14
The LC has now been available in the UK since 2014, if the part no. has changed, surely something is different.

Are the brake pads now not the same as those originally fitted.


Read my last.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-07 14:23:43
Why has the construction or material changed?
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: RTman10 on 2017-05-07 14:47:28
Why has the construction or material changed?


You never know, they might have improved the production process.  I really don't know.  But as I said, any slight change in an item will result in a part number change.  It's the only way you can keep track of stock old and new.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-07 15:17:02
If the brake pad part no. is different and therefore it's construction or material, will the brakes feel any different and/or disc wear change.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: RTman10 on 2017-05-07 15:49:08
Think back to when all the fuel strips were failing.  After some time something happened to them and they didn't fail as often.  They looked the same and worked the same but they had a new part number.  Same with the pads. 
There has been more than one change to the back pads on RTs/GSs.  This was originally due to excessive wear rates.  If that's the latest reason I wouldn't know.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-07 16:18:37
Looking back at this "rear brake pad wear" thread, /index.php?topic=1483.0, suggests that, there were indeed some early problems with the pads which resulted in some changes, perhaps this is the reason for the part no. change too.

The mystery could be solved, thanks.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: smileymiley on 2017-05-07 19:56:49
Well they definitely have changed something. .. just about to go in for a 6000 mile service  on my '16 RT & the rear pads are still in good nick. At this mileage on my '14 RT  I'd put the 3rd set in! The reply from BMW at the time..... 'they are all like that Sir! ' :thinking:
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-07 20:01:55
Well they definitely have changed something. .. just about to go in for a 6000 mile service on my '16 RT & the rear pads are still in good nick. At this mileage on my '14 RT I'd put the 3rd set in!

Perhaps the later pads are of a different (harder) compound, could this impact on the wear rate of the disc.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: RTman10 on 2017-05-07 20:13:32
Well mine is April 14 with a little over 9K on it and the rear pads are just a bit worn.  Wear seems to be down to knowing where the foot brake is as much as compound.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-07 20:21:46
Miles, has your riding style/roads ridden changed from '14/'15 to '16 which may have contributed to the increase in life of the rear pads.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: smileymiley on 2017-05-07 20:36:17
Prior to my '14 I had a '05 Blackbird, 60,000 miles put on from '07 - '14. Rear pads on it lasted around 10,000. With the extra engine braking of the BMW I hardly used the rear brake on its own, just slow manoeuvres. This is still how I ride on the '16. Must add that after being rear ended on the '14, the rear disc & pads were changed & the pad wear was good! Until this time  BMW said it was as previously stated.. 'theyare all like that Sir' or I couldn't operate a motorcycle braking system  :not:
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-07 20:47:31
Motorway riding v's town/country work is clearly going to have an effect on the life expectancy of "like for like" brake pads, front or rear.

My TC RT has done nearly 17,000 miles and is still on the original F&R pads. A lot of those miles were done on high mileage Euro trips.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: simbo on 2017-05-07 21:14:17
Well mine is April 14 with a little over 9K on it and the rear pads are just a bit worn.  Wear seems to be down to knowing where the foot brake is as much as compound.


You bought a bike for up to £16k and ride 3k per year? you stick Chocolate ones in there and never wear anything out!   :)   
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: RTman10 on 2017-05-07 21:26:41

You bought a bike for up to £16k and ride 3k per year? you stick Chocolate ones in there and never wear anything out!   :)


I know, disgraceful.  In my defence.  Bike was a reject so wasn't used until late Sep 14, more like 2 full,years use and only for long haul.  2 European tours and 3 Scottish tours. £16K,  what gave you that idea.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-13 06:52:01
Couldn't believe my eyes at Squires last Thursday, saw a TC RT fitted with red backed Brembo front brake pads.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: RTman10 on 2017-05-13 08:32:16
Probably also got Tesco discount oil,in it's sump as well.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-13 08:47:00
Tesco discount fuel too, plus points.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: simbo on 2017-05-13 09:08:52
Maybe he rides quite regular, and the savings he makes on brake pads pays for the Breakfasts at Squires?
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: RTman10 on 2017-05-13 09:45:06
Maybe he rides quite regular, and the savings he makes on brake pads pays for the Breakfasts at Squires?


Na, sure to have an out of date reduces Tesco sandwich in his pannier .
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-13 22:47:01
Didn't have OEM tyres either, fitted with Bridgestone Battlax T30's.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: simbo on 2017-05-13 23:16:16
Didn't have OEM tyres either, fitted with Bridgestone Battlax T30's.


Christ! You 100% sure it was a BMW? and not a Guzzi with saggy jugs!
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: mcwhirtj on 2017-05-18 06:27:14
'05 RT with EBC Double-H pads for over 20k miles.   Aftermarket is sometimes better.   


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Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: RTman10 on 2017-05-18 08:32:06
'05 RT with EBC Double-H pads for over 20k miles.   Aftermarket is sometimes better.   


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20K .  They can't be working or they are so hard they will never wear out.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-18 08:51:09
My TC RT has done over 17,000 miles and is still on the original F&R pads.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: Levisp on 2017-05-18 10:18:44

20K .  They can't be working or they are so hard they will never wear out.


Sorry RTman10 but thats bollocks. My 2014 RT has clocked 23K and the OEM pads are barely worn. The fact is that unless you are the sort of rider who cannot plan ahead, the type that charges up to everything and slams on the brakes, then the RT front brakes should last for at least 50K. Why ? because the bike has amazing engine braking. Rear pads a very different story.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: RTman10 on 2017-05-18 10:33:43
Weren't discussing OEM kit but aftermarket stuff.  My last RT was handed in with 25K done and the front pads were about half gone.  But EBC pads normally seem to have about half the life and can wear discs much quicker.  You wait though somebody I'll tell me they have 50 K on the clock it's them in.


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Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: Levisp on 2017-05-18 10:44:02
Well I cannot comment on EBC front brakes but I have used EBC on the rear and my conclusions are they wear at the same rate as OEM with no extra disc wear. Both OEM and EBC rears last 8K for me. Current wear rate on disc would suggest wear limit by 60 - 70 K.

Amendment.
Please see later post. Checked my notes. Wear rate rear disc should last 50K and the pads are lasting about 10k not what I said above.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: Levisp on 2017-05-18 10:56:05
It would be really interesting to put this OEM/ aftermarket brake pads to a test. Get 3 identical RTs fitted with OEM, EBC and Brembo branded. Get a bunch of riders to ride all three and ask them if they can feel any difference in braking while road riding. Then put the bikes through measured brake distance testing. Finally after a minimum of 10k miles measure disc wear and pad wear. This final test would have to assume 3 riders who riding style is the same and the type of riding they do is the same. Impossible I know. The results I think would make interesting reading.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-18 11:36:28
Have experienced OEM v's EBC on a 2007 model, my first RT.

The original (OEM) pads didn't last long and wore unevenly, can't remember the mileage. In my naivety as a virgin BMW owner, I thought, I'm not paying that price for BMW pads.
Tried some (half the price) EBC HH pads, they were useless, no initial bite or feeling, chucked them away & got some OEM ones again.

I seem to remember having the discs changed under warranty, once if not twice, something to do with the way they mounted to the wheel. (This had nothing to do with the EBC pads.)

Now, when cleaning/servicing the pads/calipers, I check the wear on the pads, if uneven, swop them around from inside to outside & vice versa on the same caliper.
The brake pad friction material thickness (min) is 1.0mm. If a close eye is keep on the pad thickness, they should last a good while longer than the current 17K miles.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-18 11:48:36
Couldn't believe my eyes at Squires last Thursday, saw a TC RT fitted with red backed Brembo front brake pads.

I wonder if this guy is on the forum or any other members have experience of OEM v's Brembo (red) front brake pads.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: scunny1 on 2017-05-18 12:09:10
The red brembo pads were put in rear this week, only done 12 miles with them, but so far cannot tell any difference from originals. ;)
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-18 12:45:12
Current wear rate on disc would suggest wear limit by 60 - 70 K.

On the TC, the Haynes manual gives the following specifications.

Front brake, Disc thickness, Standard = 4.5 mm, Service limit 4.0 mm, checked as 4.3 mm at 17K miles, wear 0.2 mm = 40%, should last 42.5K miles.

Rear brake, Disc thickness, Standard = 5.0 mm, Service limit 4.5 mm, checked as 4.8 mm at 17K miles, wear 0.2 mm = 40%, should last 42.5K miles.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-18 13:09:57
Found this on BMWMOA, https://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread.php?73577-2012-R1200RT-front-brake-pads

"My 05 RT was hard on rears, typically 7K...the fronts were within tolerances still at 50K."
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: Levisp on 2017-05-18 16:18:22
Just look up my notes on 2014 LC


OEM rear pads replaced at 9.5K with EBC FA209/2HH
These replaced for same EBC pads at 20K.


So both OEM and EBC are lasting about 10K.


Rear disc thickness new 5.00mm service limit is 4.50mm


Rear disc at 12K measured 4.88 mm
Rear disc at 18K measured 4.82 mm
Rear disc at 20K measured 4.80 mm


This is giving a service limit for rear disc as 50K. Wear rate between OEM and EBC is the same at 0.01mm/1000 miles.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: mcwhirtj on 2017-05-18 17:25:47
Have experienced OEM v's EBC on a 2007 model, my first RT.

...
Tried some (half the price) EBC HH pads, they were useless, no initial bite or feeling, chucked them away & got some OEM ones again.
...

I have serviced brakes on countless vehicles in my life, and can say that more than any other brake pad I've used, the EBC HH's do have a "break in period".   I put them on just before a two week trip, and at the start was wishing I had time to swap in some OEM pads.  By about 500 hundred miles into the trip, I was loving them. 

I measured rotor thickness when I put the EBC pads on, and have checked a few times since then, and so far no discernible accelerated wear.  With nearly 100k miles on my bike, I am getting down towards the wear limit so an expensive rotor replacement is in my future, but still several 10k miles out, I think.

Anyway, that was my experience.  I'm going to put them on my wife's F800ST soon - the OEM brake setup on that bike is not stellar, and I'm curious to see how much of an improvement the EBC pads will make.


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Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-18 17:50:53
I have serviced brakes on countless vehicles in my life, and can say that more than any other brake pad I've used, the EBC HH's do have a "break in period".

From my limited experience with the front EBC pads, I would tend to agree that perhaps they needed "breaking in". As said above, I was new to BMW's at the time and seem to remember thinking that as the OEM pads had worn unevenly an not lasted long, I would try another make. Looking back, the poor wear of the OEM pads was probably down to the discs having to be changed, not the pads themselves.

On both the TC's front & rear brake pad wear has been & is acceptable. Changed F&R once in over 36K miles on the 2010 model and still on the originals at 17K on the 2012 bike.

I intend to keep the 2012 TC, will be interesting to see how long they last with my current maintenance regime.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-18 18:01:10
This is giving a service limit for rear disc as 50K.

The service limit/wear rate of the rear disc on both the TC & LC look very similar, circa 42.5K to 50K miles respectively.

Interesting that the LC is going through rear pads at twice the rate of the TC, circa 10K and +17K miles respectively.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: Levisp on 2017-05-18 19:56:01
I know others have reported similar wear rates for rear pads on both GS /RT LC bikes irrespective of pad type. We all know we have linked brakes and I guess the single disc back is getting more use than than the beefed up front brakes. All I know is that the rear brake does work surprisingly well and maybe I use it more on this bike than any other bike I have owned. Maybe too much hence the wear rate.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-05-19 12:53:17
If searching for EBC pads, this link to EBC Direct might be helpful, https://ebcbrakesdirect.com/
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-07-29 14:20:10
On both the TC's front & rear brake pad wear has been & is acceptable. Changed F&R once in over 36K miles on the 2010 model and still on the originals at 17K on the 2012 bike.

I intend to keep the 2012 TC, will be interesting to see how long they last with my current maintenance regime.

My 2012 RT is due a brake fluid change this year, have decided to change the front pads prior to having this done.

The pads have now done 20,000 miles, they are still serviceable but near the wear limit, will run them until the service is due at 21,500 miles.

What kind of mileage have you been getting out of the front BMW OEM pads.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: simbo on 2017-07-30 00:25:18
My 2012 RT is due a brake fluid change this year, have decided to change the front pads prior to having this done.

The pads have now done 20,000 miles, they are still serviceable but near the wear limit, will run them until the service is due at 21,500 miles.

What kind of mileage have you been getting out of the front BMW OEM pads.


Changed mine from OEM to EBC at just short of 19k, they weren't worn out, but they were getting too close for my comfort.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-07-30 07:37:52
Changed mine from OEM to EBC at just short of 19k.

Oh no, you'll be needing new discs next.

Tried some (half the price) EBC HH pads, they were useless, no initial bite or feeling, chucked them away & got some OEM ones again.

Having tried EBC pads & not being happy with the performance of them, on this occasion, I'll be "stopping" with BMW OEM pads.

Now, if Brembo made an equivalent replacement, that might have been an alternative.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-07-31 09:47:56
On this occasion, I'll be "stopping" with BMW OEM pads.

Wait for it, at a cost of £108.32 for two pairs, inc. 10% discount.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: David. on 2017-07-31 13:21:36
Based on the fact that new front pads only have a useable thickness of 3.35mm, I may just put them in the cupboard & run the original pads nearer to the service limit of 1.00mm.
Title: Re: 2012 TC Front Brake Pads OEM/Brembo
Post by: mcwhirtj on 2017-10-17 06:38:30
I have serviced brakes on countless vehicles in my life, and can say that more than any other brake pad I've used, the EBC HH's do have a "break in period".   I put them on just before a two week trip, and at the start was wishing I had time to swap in some OEM pads.  By about 500 hundred miles into the trip, I was loving them. 

I measured rotor thickness when I put the EBC pads on, and have checked a few times since then, and so far no discernible accelerated wear.  With nearly 100k miles on my bike, I am getting down towards the wear limit so an expensive rotor replacement is in my future, but still several 10k miles out, I think.

Anyway, that was my experience.  I'm going to put them on my wife's F800ST soon - the OEM brake setup on that bike is not stellar, and I'm curious to see how much of an improvement the EBC pads will make.


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FWIW, I have since done so (put EBC pads on the wife's F800ST, and I am happy with the improvement.  Quite noticeable (she and I both agreed).


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